He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. @TheLegendary32 said:. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. 93. Jayfournines. In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. Azathoth solos. The power of the Life Force is a direct powerup from TOAA. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. It's impossible that 2 truly omnipotents co-exist in the same universe. Follow 1. And he loses. AFAIK this Spiderman recreated the universe. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. The only way Protege would copy Beyonder's powers is if Beyonder allowed it. 9 years ago. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. Juntai. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. I see him as toaa's equal. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. TOAA in fact survived. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. the spectre with the presence backing. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Bugs' power of seduction could also cause significant problems for the Beyonder, as Bugs has. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. Prepare for. Team 1: The Beyonders. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. • 7 mo. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. so he is far from being the strongest in fiction not even top 20 strongest in fiction. As the Fight inclines this is Tiamut who is I believe the strongest celestial ( I heard there was another. They can literally do whatever they want. Rorschach vs Dr. beyonder vs toaa. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). Supergirl and Kal-L in COIE, SBP in SCW, etc. -Everything in bleach. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Forum Posts. Neither of. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. ago. There would be no fight. Juntai. . Wiki Points. 4 years ago. Even if it logically and rationally. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. TOAA is above all. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. Alien X with Ascalon vs Phoenix Force fused with Captain Universe and has. . The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. She/Her. 3 years ago. Which is power explicitly above the Beyonder. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Oldfather 18. Register Sign in. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. 4 years ago. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. Same with Beyonder and TOAA. beyonder Yep, lol. Wiki Points. 5 years ago. Beyonder vs Everyone else in Marvel . @Pr_Beyonder said: " @King Saturn: Chuck worships GOAG not TOAA All thought he maybe reffered to as TOAA and is the true OAA " TOAA can be referred to as the GOAG though. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. Max Deen. . No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. Manhattan's league. Beyonder: Sonuva. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know,. Team The Daughter Of Mortis I'm Unsure about this one. vs. Searching. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Neutral Close. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. itsirk. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. 3. But Thanos with HoTU became one with all. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. Reply. 493. 1%. 168. Look stuff up for it. Glory stomps. Yeah All Mighty Wins. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. Scenary: Cell Games Arena (Indestructible) Saibaimen not allowed Both TOAA, Madoka, Presence and Galactus with full power. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). 3 years ago. 0. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. Stalemate. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Beyonder is marvel. and MoM = ToAA both are supreme gods of respective omniverses. If he was defeated then he’s not the. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. Beyonder stomps. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. 9. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. SCP 3812. Far from Beyonder levels. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. Characters like LT, God Spawn, and Michael Demiurgos. But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. Thanos wins. At least, not anymore. Khorne. Round 1: In character Round 2: Blood lusted. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. Beyonder 39%. #3 CF12793. login to vote. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. Wiki Points. There is a reason for his name "the one above all". This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. 1. Beyonder was at TOAA level pre-retcon. Ok, this is what I thought. TOAA isn't omnipotent. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. ". In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. TOAA will absolutely win as he represent the writers/Stan Lee/Jack Kirby but its interesting to note how similar origin is Primal/Over monitor & Pre recton Beyonder is , Beyonder was million times. Explore Gaming. bluepride1234. Spectre is backed by the Presence, he regularly gets owned by lesser beings. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. 0. At least, not anymore. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. 47. 2. Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. Neither of. The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. Forum Posts. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. 1. and he isn't omniscience. 3. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. Beyonder, if not. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. Wiki Points. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. show 6 replies. Also, CA Superman's entire ability is to win. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 3 The Beyonder. PR Beyonder Stomps. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. and so Jim Starlin wrote Comics scenario, to his liking, how Thanos managed to take the astral regulator created by the TOAA and absorb it. Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. @pisswaterball The Beyond Realm is completely separate from Marvel so TOAA has no control. Hajun via feats and implied power. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". . However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. 7 years ago. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Wiki Points. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. PR Beyonder > TOAA and all His/Its Omniverse Beyonder may have been from outside the Marvel multiverse, however he is still a Marvel property and would come under the jurisdiction of Marvels supreme being. Beyonder would be stomped. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. . They are a weaker subsection of the Beyonder race that is nowhere near as powerful as the army that defeated the abstracts of the multiverse. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. This. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. OP doesn't specify where the vs is taking place. Hykuu. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. 2. Claymore1998. The glory (Dr. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. Juntai. #7. Strange, The Living Tribunal, Cosmic Abstracts (including ones that embody the concept of time, death, and infinity), Beyonder, Molecule Man, the omniverse, etc. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters here. Viners voted on it. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. ago. beyonder Yep, lol. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. Agreed. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. 14 years ago. 2. 0. 1. 3. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. idk how he could lose to anyone except for TOAA if he's not TOAA himself. 1 Answer. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Nope. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Or Melkor rebelling against eru. it would be mostly stalemate. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. They were both. Cactus. 7. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. I think the idea. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. TOAA is a god for gods. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionSo you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. Both have absolute 100% control. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. 11 years ago. The Living Tribunal answers only to TOAA and is regarded by him and every other abstract entity in Marvel as being omnipotent and literally "above" them all in terms of power and importance. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. beyonder Yep, lol. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Definitely Beyonder. Pre-retcon Beyonder. He stomps all round. . SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. The One Above All has no equal. 2. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. Jayfournines. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. 12 years ago. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. TOAA mops the floor with these two. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. 3080. One below all vs the beyonder. Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. beyonder Yep, lol. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. 8 years ago. 5 years ago. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race. This is a simple fight. So with all of that said, I say they tie after the others die. 13 years agoEdit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. Yes. [deleted] • 8 yr. ". What they dream up with goes. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too.